that would be obama, actually that's what he said this week, president obama did on the george stephanopoulos interview he did this week with abc. the other group like simpson bowls, fix the debt ceo's and house republicans say no, the debt and deficit are a problem for us, and holding back growth where jeff sessions is. is it possible the two camps, three camps can come together and have a grand bargain like the media likes to talk about. i think it's hard to imagine that will be the case. one of the reaps we had tsons w that, the first time in years, the president didn't go first. we don't have it yet and we won't for a couple of weeks. and the white house is taking a close look at the criticism of patty murray's budget so they don't end up in the same boat. >> interesting, kirsten? >> i'd he say dana said what the president said in the interview. i think rather than looking alt what the president said, we need to look at his actions and when something is important to him, we know what he does, he go out and barn-storms and he hasn't typically done that with the deficit. the last couple of